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@GasBomb@Matt So I clicked on the ST thread link and here's the first thing I see:
"Slowtwitch thread volume has shed another ~20% this year after a decade of decline that has left the community with only ~750 threads per month, down from 3x that figure in 2006 (N.B. this could be a good thing)"
And I can't help but think MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE EVERYONE GOT SICK OF THE BULLSHIT. I dunno, I don't go on the Twitch anymore because I need less stupidity in my life not more, so I'm not sure that's actually a reflection of how triathlon is dying. I do think everyone keeps scratching their balls wondering, gee, why doesn't anyone want to talk to us, when it's sort of obvious.
I'm trying to think about this. I also felt slightly ehhhhh about the tweets, but I got the point, so I wasn't exactly offended, just not sure it was the most effective or least tacky way to get the point across.
And now I'm trying to figure out why I had this feeling that it was tacky to bring up Sutton's history. Because it did feel like 'oh, we shouldn't talk about that.' I think it's because 1. I never really looked at all the details, so I'd been left with this vague impression that he'd had sex with a minor, but she was like 16 or something and it was consensual (even though, yes, I get that in a coaching relationship with younger girls, consensual is never really consensual, because the power-dynamic is too messed up). and 2. I think I had another vague sense that he'd rehabilitated, made things right and learned. And, generally, I believe in rehabilitation, and am not a huge fan of throwing people in prison forever. I do believe people, almost no matter the crime, should be allowed to earn a way back into society. So, I am willing and ready to believe that Sutton can be a useful part of the triathlon community. I think, in a sense, that's what made me uneasy -- that we're going to troll someone on Twitter 15 years after a crime and not allow them to prove they've changed.
[The Brock analogy, while timely, does lend itself to moral relativism, but also the reason people are so up in arms about that has more to do with it as an example of a flawed justice system in how we deal with campus rape and privilege, like everyone finally decided to pay attention to this problem.]
I think most people in triathlon probably have these same vague ideas about Sutton, and have never really looked at the details. I also think, though, probably, no one really wants to think too hard about it. And, sure, it's easier to ignore those facts when he produces very good athletes. (That's NOT unique to triathlon though. Look at what USA Swimming has gone through in the last couple years with widespread coach-sexual abuse issues. And gymnastics, oh man, that shit is messed up.) And everyone knows someone who worked with him, so you want to believe your first-hand experiences trump what you've heard on the internet. Plus, and this may be a little complicated, but the top-level coach-female athlete relationship tends to be fraught with fucked up power dynamics, and Sutton's known for being crazy controlling of every aspect of his athletes' lives, so in a way these issues feel like they're simply an extension of that? Which may be why it's easier to ignore -- like, no shit?