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Tour de France 2018

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    RashRash Member
    Martin said:

    Rash said:


    I will Martin said he couldn't believe how strong Froome was when he caught on.

    And you can read into that any way you like.
    To put it in context Martin was thanking Froome for going with him then complimenting him on the pace he was able to keep. He wasn't slinging mud - just noting Froome was still in good form even after all the attacks - as was Martin.
    Martin
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    MartinMartin Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    edited July 2018
    Sky is amazing. Thomas looked like he did on the summit finishes at the Dauphine, and Froome's bridge and ride through to third place was just awesome. I don't think they need to choose a leader. They can both ride away from everyone else.

    ETA: I do think they are relatively clean, Salbutamol aside.
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    Martin said:

    Sky is amazing. Thomas looked like he did on the summit finishes at the Dauphine, and Froome's bridge and ride through to third place was just awesome. I don't think they need to choose a leader. They can both ride away from everyone else.

    ETA: I do think they are relatively clean, Salbutamol aside.

    OK @Martin , I'll bite here since everyone else is asleep. Please elaborate further on relatively clean... Do you feel there are other teams/riders that are much dirtier than Sky? Who? Where do you see the Sky limit as an organization/riders regarding specific enhancements vs. a different line that others would approach. Products?/Techiniques?
    I'm not being confrontational, I just want to hear your thoughts since I find your insights a bit above other stuff I read.
    (by the way, you are the official 2018 #Sworry Trials cycling leg expert and color commentator. Since we ar a non-profit, we are paying you nothing, but we assume your ESPN the Ocho salary is sufficient. Hi to Pepper and Cotton for me please)


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    I don’t think they’re any dirtier than the other teams. I don’t think any team is clean though. I think the biggest difference between Sky and others isn’t doping, it’s the $45 million budget.

    Looks like the winner of the league will be the person with the least abandons at this point.
    Martin

    Fattest BQ on record--- *allegedly
    2016 (and last) Rev3 Cedar Point champ- don't google the time though
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
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    Mark_after_DarkMark_after_Dark Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Rooster Endurance Officers, POTM
    edited July 2018
    I just want to say how impressed I am that Tad actually printed a picture of a meme using very expensive color ink rather than using MS paint. You are either highly committed to your craft or technologically inept. Love you either way.
    Mark_after_DarkMattTad_MRobert RankinAaron WebsteyMartinCraig_DKenElPescadoPelado
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    M_WareM_Ware Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter
    Dark_mark said:

    I just want to say how impressed I am that Tad actually printed a picture of a meme using very expensive color ink rather than using MS paint. You are either highly committed to your craft or technologically inept. Love you either way.

    That item will be getting more use. Stay tuned for live updates from #SworryTrials2018 next month.

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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    Thank you @Dark_mark , I am both a highly trained print magazine/newspaper guy from way back, and technologically inept. I believe you are correct on both counts.
    However, I will redeem myself for the actual trials and dust off my copy of Gimp (only because a software named after a Tarantino character is noteworthy).
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    edited July 2018
    I'm hearing lots of boos at the stage finish.

    Top 10 on the stage



    If you exclude Lance Armstrong, Geraint Thomas is the first rider to win back-to-back summit finishes at the Tour de France this century.

    — CafeRoubaix (@CafeRoubaix) July 19, 2018
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter
    I stopped watching in disgust when Froome took the lead. Opps.
    MattAaron WebsteyM_Ware
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    Sky's Egan Bernal is also clawing minutes back on the White Jersey.
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    RashRash Member
    I guess we know why Bernal skipped a pull yesterday. That kid is a beast.

    I guess Gavira isn't such a great climber after all - or perhaps the fatigue of so many days of hard racing just caught up to him. He is a sprint stud for sure, but curious to see if he tries to expand his abilities moving forward or just stays on the sweet train at QS and dominates the sprints.

    Sagan just needs to cross the line in Paris at this point to take green - wonder if his soon to be ex wife gets half of this jersey too?
    Matt
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    KHilgendorfKHilgendorf Member, Rooster Endurance Member, POTM
    edited July 2018
    Loving all the dropouts from the sprint crews; Demare is finally getting me some points. And without Cav and Kittel jamming up sprint trains we can have a clean finale tomorrow.

    Edit: Just saw Nibali is out after hitting a police moto and crashing the finale. To quote @matt FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
    MattJennifer PostMartin
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    KHilgendorfKHilgendorf Member, Rooster Endurance Member, POTM
    Also enjoying the battle atop the fantasy standings. @Robert Rankin has finally been dethroned by @mbrekk44 , but Mitch is out 2 riders with the abandonments of Gaviria and Uran today. With there being only 1 switch available, does he fall back down the standings?

    And the battle for Lanterne Rouge is heating up, too. My decision to choose only french riders (Dumoulin sounds french, and its the same flag, just different orientation) in their home tour is proving highly daft.
    Aaron WebsteyM_WareRobert RankinJennifer PostMartinTad_MKenElPescadoPelado
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    Aaron WebsteyAaron Webstey Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member, Rooster Endurance Officers
    My weiners are looking pretty rough after today
    Jennifer PostMartin
    #KOAT
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    2 of the best time trialists, a track/classic specialist destroying all on Alpe d'Huez with a French climber.


    Robert RankinJennifer Post
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    edited July 2018
    Also, I'm reading that Nibali's crash into a moto resulted in a cracked vertebrae and will not start tomorrow. Makes his BADASS ride back to the summit 13sec down even more impressive.

    Not a moto crash! It was a spectator's camera strap to Nibali's right shifter. Shades of 2003.

    Two videos of Nibali's fall. The first https://t.co/TPUcY0AEu9 seems to show someone holding a camera/phone/tablet in front of him. Next it seems the police bike is clear of him https://t.co/dEhMGx5MBC

    — the Inner Ring (@inrng) July 19, 2018
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    RashRash Member
    wonder if everyone will blame Nibali for riding too dangerous and close to the edge of the road like they did in the classics last year when that spectator's jacket took out Sagan and Van Avermat.

    Come on Nibali - I am sure Porte would not have abandoned!
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    No chance to blame Nibali. Unlike 2003 when Lance fell, he purposely was on the side of the road.
    Today there was a guy who ran up and tapped Froome's helmet in the middle of the road.
    Rash
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    RashRash Member
    That was in pink! I don't know how those guys can ride through those crowds like that - can't even see the road.
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    Hoping you're wrong about Nibali, I'm running out of people who know how to climb.

    When's the next rest day for goodness sake?
    Jennifer PostTad_M

    Fattest BQ on record--- *allegedly
    2016 (and last) Rev3 Cedar Point champ- don't google the time though
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    MartinMartin Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    Matt said:

    2 of the best time trialists, a track/classic specialist destroying all on Alpe d'Huez with a French climber.


    Watts are watts.
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    MartinMartin Member, Rooster Endurance Member

    Hoping you're wrong about Nibali, I'm running out of people who know how to climb.

    When's the next rest day for goodness sake?

    I would need the rest day rules to change to "You can keep only one rider" to have any chance of winning at this point, especially with Nibbles out.
    M_WareRobert RankinAaron Webstey
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    Yeah I just replaced him for Porte. I'm screwed by the "only 3 rule" and need to add a "leader". The only ones in my budget are sprinters that have abandoned

    Fattest BQ on record--- *allegedly
    2016 (and last) Rev3 Cedar Point champ- don't google the time though
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    MartinMartin Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    edited July 2018

    Martin said:

    Sky is amazing. Thomas looked like he did on the summit finishes at the Dauphine, and Froome's bridge and ride through to third place was just awesome. I don't think they need to choose a leader. They can both ride away from everyone else.

    ETA: I do think they are relatively clean, Salbutamol aside.

    OK @Martin , I'll bite here since everyone else is asleep. Please elaborate further on relatively clean... Do you feel there are other teams/riders that are much dirtier than Sky? Who? Where do you see the Sky limit as an organization/riders regarding specific enhancements vs. a different line that others would approach. Products?/Techiniques?
    I really don't believe that these guys have an organized doping program, or that their leaders are doped to the gills.* They just ride a better strategy with better athletes.

    @Robert Rankin nailed it, I think. This is the New York Yankees or Paris Saint Germain of professional cycling. Look at the lineup they have here: Froome, Thomas, Kwiatkowski, Castroviejo, Rowe, Moscon, Poels, and Bernal (who buried himself all day and rode a very Roberto Heras-like Alpe to finish just 1:30 behind his leaders).

    Half of that team is under 30, and other than Bernal, all are either national time trial champions, top 5 worlds TT guys, or Classics winners. Kwiatkowski has been World Champion and won monuments. Never mind his track success at the Olympics, Thomas has won multiple one-week races. No other team in the peloton has the money to bring eight riders of this calibre together.

    The watts these guys can generate is huge, and all but Froome and Thomas get paid to put out X number of watts for Y minutes until they literally have to put their foot down. They know from training and testing how many watts they need to put out to deter 98% of attacks, and they know their leaders can ride at that wattage all day long.

    If they would let them, here is what Sky's "Team B" would look like at the Tour, in order of how they line up when they start to string out the peloton:

    van Baarle (rouleur and consistent top 10 one-day finisher)
    Kiriyenka (Diesel engine, used to tow team bus if they run out of fuel)
    Deignan (climber)
    De la Cruz (climber)
    Elissonde (climber, assuming they can keep his head screwed on straight)
    Geoghegan Hart (lieutenant)
    Henao (leader)

    They might not win the race, but they are going to win a bunch of stages. and have someone in the top ten. This is a Lotto-Jumbo grade team or better. Most teams in the peloton would struggle to put together the budget for that B team plus a slight upgrade on Henao for leadership. Movistar might come closest, but they don't have the focus to support one guy to win. Or they don't have the confidence that they have the one guy to support. (They should after today.)

    Sky have the best buses, amazing DSs, great technology relationships, the best service course, the best chefs, etc etc. Their official car used to be a Jag, and they have contacts across the British aerospace and racing industries to figure out the best toys. It's USPS minus the organized illicit doping program all over again in terms of the support they put together.

    Anyway, I'm late to commenting today because I cut myself off from the world until I could watch the stage tonight. Nibali's comeback was remarkable, but there was a lot of gamesmanship among the top 5 in the last 3 km. If they had ridden straight up, they would have put minutes into the stragglers that came back to them. Dumoulin is my hero, merci to Bardet for making this fun to watch, and GT has been doing the same thing all year: that Lance thing where you throw down a blistering attack with 800m to go and take a tonne of time. That's maybe a bit harder to do in the steep Pyrenees than the Alps.

    Any bets on Sky launching Bernal at some point to see if they can sweep the podium? Wouldn't that be something, and wouldn't the French just looooove that... They would probably line the roads in Festina t-shirts or something

    *No team is perfectly clean. It's perfectly legal, but I think the salbutamol/inhaler use in endurance sport is stupid. I believe it was the Sydney Olympics where something like 85% of the triathletes racing had TUEs and were puffing on inhalers on the pontoon before the race. It's the same now. Running has it. Cycling is just as bad. Soccer is probably worse. The North American pro sports... don't even start. I don't like the secrecy around Sky, I don't like deals being cut to have doping suspensions cut or swept away, and I don't like lawyers getting involved in sport (no offense, @Evan).
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    mbrekk44mbrekk44 Member, POTM
    I’ve got this thing in the bag with Thomas, Dumoulin, and Landa.
    simonsen77Robert RankinMartinAaron Webstey
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    mbrekk44mbrekk44 Member, POTM
    This will be the third shirt that Webstey has provided me. This one should probably be yellow.
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    Thanks @Martin !
    I'm with you in the same jam @Robert Rankin Son of a bitch this sucks. Porte, Gaviria, Nibali, lost so far for me.
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