Schoeman

Granpa Chook · January 2018

https://sputniknews.com/world/201801171060833854-olympics-doping-schoeman-tested/

Not at all surprised by this considering he couldn't have been more blatant with his praise of his medical support staff directly after the Olympics. There is some shady things here, since he declared taking it a month previous to the test.

Oh and corruption.

Granpa Chook · January 2018

bla fucking bla ... get sick weeks before event, take lots of meds, get sick again, take some more and race.
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/sport/2016-08-25-how-top-medical-team-revived-schoemans-dream-in-rio/

(says he was sick three weeks before event here) https://www.iol.co.za/olympics-rio-2016/iolympics-sacrifices-paid-off-says-henris-biggest-fan-2059377

Rash · January 2018

I would hold off a bit here based on the source of the info. Sputnik news is not necessarily the epitome of journalistic integrity and I have seen no other corroboration at this point outside of other message boards citing this same article. He may well have had a TUE for it or they may simply be making it up. Setting aside people's feelings on TUE's, if he had one, then the finding did not break any rules.

Of course, he could be a lying cheater who cheats - but again, consider the source at this point.

Granpa Chook · January 2018

Sure Sputnik news is pretty suspect, and somebody could have forged that, but I think that's very unlikely. I think that it's much more likely to be true. I think it's clear he didn't have a TUE when he declared the medication. No backdating is going to help you there.

The loopholes need to be closed. If he is sick enough to warrant using a prohibited substance, he should not be racing with it in his system, and there should be a longer time until he is allowed to race (not 7+ days out - that's insane).

EmilyCocks · January 2018

It was the electrical muscle stimulation that helped him run better than he ever has before (and right after a sickness!). Duh....

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/athletics/bronze-medalist-schoeman-praises-medical-experts-2060964

Tad_M · January 2018

We've promptly launched an investigation.........
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-triathlon-schoeman/triathlon-itu-launches-investigation-into-schoeman-allegations-idUSKBN1F72ZL

On the bright side, they won't have to spend alot on international courier fees to get the medal to Richard Murray.

Rash · January 2018

Will be interesting if the ITU takes action. How do they handle the 2016 ITU series champion? From what I read elsewhere on the internet (therefore it's true) if Schoeman is somehow suspended or has his results revoked due to that positive, that would arguably include his win at Cozumel. Jonathan Brownlee came in second there - if he is elevated to the top step as a result of Schoeman's DQ then that makes Brownlee, not Mola, the 2016 ITU Series Champion.

Jennifer Post · January 2018

I agree it will be interesting what the ITU might do if he loses his Olympic medal. Even more complicated than usual since Brownlee was assisted by his brother in the race and ITU made a rule change after that.

fyrehaar · January 2018

They ruled the action was legal at the time, they are not going to retroactively change the assistance rule if it turns out Schoeman was doping.

Shepherd · January 2018

BTW, this was all immediately suspicious. At the time. I had a brief and typically vague Twitter exchange with Paulo about this at the time. Basically, I asked Pablo if he thought he could've gotten Pred in order to race and do it with a TUE. Paulo was calling bullshit on this immediately. It was totally and completely blatant and obvious. I assumed that he must've gotten a TUE and my own cynical brain thought that he was faking the illness and going through a charade in order to justify the TUE for Pred and not get busted.

All of this was just so out in the open it was amazing. His own father said that like 48h before the race he was sicker than he'd ever seen him and that he could barely make it to the pre-race briefing. Just sat there with his hood on or something. Then 48h later in a hot, humid climate on a tough course, he crushes it for a bronze against a great field? No fucking way.

The level of ridiculousness was Trumpian.

Jennifer Post · January 2018

I remember thinking it was ridiculous too but I did buy into him being sick. I just assumed he got shot up with some type of undetectable super dope before the race. Somehow, if his whole illness before the games was just a farce, that seems even worse to me.

James Lange · January 2018

How pissed do you think Richard Murray is over this?

EmilyCocks · January 2018

James Lange said:
How pissed do you think Richard Murray is over this?

mad enough to flip everyone off.

Rash · January 2018

I think Murray is too pre-occupied these days for anger!

EmilyCocks · January 2018

https://www.triathlon.org/news/article/statement_regarding_mr._henri_schoeman

That was quick.

But, was it fake documents that were released?

Or, was there a urine test that showed prednisone (or prednisolone, can't remember which one) but it wasn't a violation?

Are they just covering up the cover up?

Sralston · January 2018

EmilyCocks said:
https://www.triathlon.org/news/article/statement_regarding_mr._henri_schoeman

That was quick.

But, was it fake documents that were released?

Or, was there a urine test that showed prednisone (or prednisolone, can't remember which one) but it wasn't a violation?

Are they just covering up the cover up?

"The professionalism and openness shown by Henri Schoeman should be an example for any athlete that could face a situation like this. " Umm right so only addressing this about 1.5 years later is professional.......

Jennifer Post · January 2018

I vote for Emily’s option 3. Covering the cover up.

bbculp · January 2018

I've reached out to ITU, IOC and WADA today and all I've gotten back is, "We consider the matter resolved to the satisfaction of all parties and will not take further questions."

They're making this so much worse than it needs to be.

Kelly O'Mara · January 2018

Can someone explain this to me? ITU says 'oh it's resolved, there was no adverse finding.' But he also says he's never applied for a TUE or failed a test. So are they saying 'oops was a mistake, he didn't have prednisone in his system?'

Basically, at first I thought they were saying 'oh, it's fine, we found the TUE, all good.' But now I'm confused, because that doesn't appear to be what they're saying. So what are they saying?

Kelly O'Mara · January 2018

Oh, I guess they're saying it was all lies, and fake news, right?

Kelly O'Mara said:
Can someone explain this to me? ITU says 'oh it's resolved, there was no adverse finding.' But he also says he's never applied for a TUE or failed a test. So are they saying 'oops was a mistake, he didn't have prednisone in his system?'

Basically, at first I thought they were saying 'oh, it's fine, we found the TUE, all good.' But now I'm confused, because that doesn't appear to be what they're saying. So what are they saying?

dhr · January 2018

I don’t care about doping.

With my steady diet of pizza & beer, somebody who eats a salad from time to time may as well be doping, as far as I’m concerned.

Granpa Chook · January 2018

What a shitshow. Too big to fail? Spineless bastards

PevashishDaul · January 2018

The Armstrong response: "I've never tested positive".

Incredibly reassuring.

Jennifer Post · January 2018

bbculp said:
I've reached out to ITU, IOC and WADA today and all I've gotten back is, "We consider the matter resolved to the satisfaction of all parties and will not take further questions."

They're making this so much worse than it needs to be.

Who falls under the "all parties" that are satisfied? Serious question. Is it just ITU, IOC, and WADA? Could individual athletes file something in CAS? Tough with Murray being from same federation as Schoeman but could someone else that lost out on a larger performance bonus file a grievance to get records? Similar to how we have FOIA, is there something that athletes can use to force release of official findings?

Tad_M · January 2018

Good points @Kelly O'Mara @EmilyCocks and @Jennifer Post

I've posted a poll. I'm considering a letter to ITU Anti Doping director Leslie Buchanan... He/She can't really attack me since I don't race for any livelihood and I certainly don't dope in any way. But maybe the ITU is the wrong place to write..... They have to protect their "corporation", maybe a letter to WADA is better......
or maybe I should just breakdown and go complain to my doctor in my best whiny little victim voice about my ridiculously low T.

http://triroost.com/discussion/3191/itu-ioc-wada-etc-and-schoeman#latest

bbculp · January 2018

Leslie is a she, and she's one of the most passionate and educated anti-doping activists I know. Unfortunately she works for a federation and has very little power. Go ahead and write the letter, but you'll never hear anything back and nothing will change.

Rash · January 2018

found this interesting

https://twitter.com/scienceofsport/status/956407455788957696

Could actually all just be a few simple mistakes with spelling and dates - however the lack of any explanation keeps this looking very suspicious.

Martin · January 2018

Rash said:
found this interesting
https://twitter.com/scienceofsport/status/956407455788957696

Prednisone, foxair (because no top endurance athletes seem to be capable of racing without an inhaler), and a gonorrhea medication (antibacterial, also used for bronchitis)

We'll know if he's dirty at the next ITU race, because if it's true Richard Murray will smash things, swear at everyone, and maybe body slam a random drug tester for good measure.

Tad_M · January 2018

@bbculp , thats cool to hear about her. Even if the ship is a bit too big to turn, it all begins by having the right people!!!

Chris · February 2018

If she was that great and such a believer in anti doping she would have all the top 20 athletes in the out of comp testing pool, Blummenfeldt finished third in series but is not on it, and has not been on it for as far back as I can find. What's with that? The lists have been pretty much the same for numerous 2x yearly cycles, why have they not changed to add in athletes as they start to achieve top results. If you are good enough to podium you really should be there.

Granpa Chook · February 2018

Chris said:
If she was that great and such a believer in anti doping she would have all the top 20 athletes in the out of comp testing pool, Blummenfeldt finished third in series but is not on it, and has not been on it for as far back as I can find. What's with that? The lists have been pretty much the same for numerous 2x yearly cycles, why have they not changed to add in athletes as they start to achieve top results. If you are good enough to podium you really should be there.

Where do you find the out-of-comp testing pool list?

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