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TRS Radio ep 97
Aaron Webstey
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Good to hear @TRS_tri and @Dark_mark back in the saddle.
1. I also don't think Beth or Lauren meant to take that shit.
2. Bring back TT4T!
3. I'd be curious to know what other NGB presidents make. $300k?? WTF?
4. @bbculp - too pretty for radio? Will he convince TBI to start giving out podcasting awards?
Looking forward to hearing regular episodes again!
1. I also don't think Beth or Lauren meant to take that shit.
2. Bring back TT4T!
3. I'd be curious to know what other NGB presidents make. $300k?? WTF?
4. @bbculp - too pretty for radio? Will he convince TBI to start giving out podcasting awards?
Looking forward to hearing regular episodes again!
#KOAT
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If you are a close personal friend of Beth or Lauren, I definitely don't believe you're right about them.
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Also, I've historically had little sympathy for the 'tainted supplements' argument, since everyone knows that industry is such a shit show (as per @IanL 's comment). But salt tabs? That's rough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enobosarm
Ostarine isn't even an approved drug yet, so why would a supplement company even have it in their repertoire so that cross contamination could happen? If they do, that whole place is doing illegal shit.
Why did Ben Johnson get popped in the Olympics for steroid use? Because someone screwed up the dosing and the timing.
the "tainted supplements" argument was pretty much shown to be flimsy when Contador made it...
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1. Setting aside motives/guilt of the athletes - I find it hard to believe that supplements passed through the same factory would pick up nearly enough of a substance to then be picked up during testing. There is a threshold/error limit on the testing in place for this very reason I believe. If the athletes are claiming tainted supplements, then I have to believe the manufacturers were deliberately dosing the supplements with the stuff. As @TRS_tri mentioned in the podcast, I wouldn't think salt supplements would be the place they would want to do that. Would make more sense in a protein powder or creatine concoction (which has happened many times in the past).
2. As far as any nefarious activities on Lauren's part to achieve the positive return on the bottled and unbottled samples she had tested, both she and Beth shared representation. I would think they would have done the same for both athletes if that was the plan.
3. Every time there is a doper in the sport who has served their punishment, the argument against their post ban participation is that the benefits of past doping continue to assist the athlete moving forward. This is championed as a primary reason for lifetime bans. In this case, there has not been much of a similar outcry. Assuming an athlete unintentionally doped, does the same argument not apply? What if they unknowingly doped for years before it was realized - are they forever prohibited from competition due to the physical enhancement brought about by the doping? I know recently there was a juvenile who had a coach doping him up without his or his parents knowledge (allegedly) - is that kid never allowed to race bikes again? Just an interesting issue that exists with "unintentional" doping.
You are delusional if you think these athletes didn't take them knowingly. They should both be banned for 2 years.
This being the case, the athletes totally need to out the companies, and sue them for lost wages if they truly believe they were wronged, because otherwise the spectre of drug cheat will follow them. If they don't do this, I can't believe them that they had no idea what was going on, #sworry.
The guys were very tough on ALL British males triathletes in Cozumel and certain pros who had also been through China concluding that "everyone knows Mexican meat is tainted and everything in China is dirty so tough shit at the very least the individual who got popped was really stupid and at worst was intentionally doping and you have a responsibility for what goes in your body as a pro athlete" - it may come as a surprise but in the UK we don't eat much Mexican meat, its certainly not something I was aware of.
What I find uncomfortable is that the same approach doesn't apply. If you are a pro athlete you do have a responsibility for what goes into your body and if you are buying supplements that say "Made in China" on the back, you should be taking steps to ensure that these are properly tested. There are plenty of manufacturers that are tested to WADA standards, athletes who choose to use other (cheaper) alternatives, run this risk and have to take responsibility for that, wherever they come from.
I was overall disappointed with the approach, I felt that Ben and Mark didn't apply the same standards they have in other dubious cases (where they have assumed guilt without proof) but here they seem willing to give the benefit of the doubt because "we've met them and they seem nice" a criticism which we have heard them levy at other sites and individuals in similar circumstances where they have been trying to protect athletes.
FWIW, two athletes popping for the same drug, at the same time, claiming the same tainted supplements, but from a different source, defence - that's more than one coincidence!
I think British athletics is just dirty as fuck. Cycling, running, triathlon - they are running a systemic doping regime for their athletes, and I do not think it was an age grouper who tested positive in Cozumel.
So I am willing to take a harder line on them because I believe there is all sorts of fuckery going on there.
For Beth and Lauren, I am not willing to just make the judgement that they were willingly doping. For starters, I have been trying not to make snap judgments and public statements without knowing all the facts. Sure it is probably entertaining for everyone out there when I do that, but that has come to bite me in the ass a few times.
Another reason: there have now been 4 women who claim that this was in their supplements. Are they all lying? Maybe. Is there maybe possibly something bigger going on here with QC and manufacturing processes and lack of regulation for supplements? Maybe. It could be one, or the other, or both, or something else.
For me just to say "These women are doping on purpose" is just not a reasonable conclusion to draw and if they truly are innocent, well fuck, could you imagine? However, if they were doping with intent, well then, fuck them. My girlfriend has literally lost money to them the last few seasons and I have expensive tastes goddamit.
So in summation, who the fuck knows what is going on and in the meantime, let's process all the facts and see what else pops up. I wrote to Classified Nutrition requesting details regarding where their products are being made and what (if any) quality control measures are being taken, but I do not think I will be hearing back.
I would be curious to see a list of male athletes using the same products...
#not-all-supplements
Not saying that is what was going on here, but not surprised when you find athletes using products other than those provided by their sponsors.
And one would also expect that she has to pay for her Neurolytes, while I woudl assume Nuun would give her all the tablets she would want. Not bad for a starving athlete (expect the lack of calories in this case of course).
Regardless, there are so many little maybes and ifs in all these stories.
People do dumb stuff all the time. Salt supplementation is suspect to begin with. Most people have more sodium in their system than they will ever need - especially when you are chugging endurance drinks before, during and after events. Most people are doing it to avoid cramps when there is actually no proof that salt supplementation reduces cramping. Maybe she "could feel" the Rhodiola Rosea working it's magic!
She probably just gets a discount code from Nuun anyway to share in her signature line on Slowtwitch!
steroidsmagica winquality homeopathic aids.Avoiding Neurolytes, an electrolyte capsule, as it relates to avoiding Mexican/Chinese meat is a false equivalency in my humble opinion.
That said, I will confess that it's certainly easier to criticize a still unknown Brit versus Americans whom I have met face to face and who both appeared on my show.
If we are going to get all nationalistic, which I'm inclined to do now under the Trump administration's leadership, I'd like to point out that it's nice knowing that USADA is actually fucking testing and is willing to name names. We certainly CANNOT say the same for the Brits.