Hi all, let's digest the latest into on Bahrain.. perhaps
@Dark Mark needs to do better research again...
First of all, I would really urge you all to listen to my interview with
@ZenTriathlon where all of the topics were discussed in detail..
@Ben Hobbs is saying "we have to consider the sources of income" when referring to Bahrain. "The ability and right to speak freely, to have the freedom of thought, expression.. is fundamental" Referring to Bahrain as a country ran by the Al Khalifa regime.. "women earning the right to vote in 2002"
Firstly, Bahrain is a constitutional monarchy, not a monarchy (only), but a constitutional monarchy. You have to check online or in political science books the difference between both. More importantly, it is not a country ran by a family, there is a parliament, that people elect and choose, who work hand in hand with the selected ministers as a form of checks and balances, similar to administration and congress. This house in government protect the rights of the population by questioning or 'grilling' ministers, including a constitutional right for every citizen, which is the freedom of speech, press etc.
Ben goes on to say "we have a Sunni population of 10%, royal family is Sunni, Shia population of 90%"
WHAT!! I almost choked to be honest when I heard this. Where is this information coming from? Seriously, what is the source? But here's the thing, you want to divide the country based on religious beliefs? Why not divide based on color? What if I walk into congress in America and say, guys, we have too many white people here, need to fix the proportion based on your population and color. This is simply nonsense. Hispanics, blacks, protestants, muslims, WHATEVER, they all need to have the right to vote for whoever comes up with the best prosperity package. We don't want to pop up kids just so that we skew the population in order to have more blacks or indians in congress. By the way, there was no Sunni Shia problem in Iraq before America showed up... think about it
"protester, bloggers, women, men, were arrested, they were imprisoned, tortured, many of them are still in prison, and" basically because of free speech.
Here's the thing, this rhetoric is only heard by pro-Iranians and Iran themselves (who are somehow friends with America today). Thus, what Bahrain did was bring about an external committee endorsed by the United Nations to do a complete and thorough report on these lies and present to the world the truth about Bahrain.. so not sure which pro-Iranian spoke to you Ben, but here's the independent report, you can read it yourself. By the way, I did post it in your website before..
http://www.bici.org.bh/BICIreportEN.pdfWho is in prison today? Well, name one person only, only one, who is in prison because of free speech, or still in prison as you say.. I'm called you out
@Ben Hobbs "Royal Families do not put themselves on trial" Can you support this? This guy was executed by the way
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-saudi-execution-idUKBRE9BS05W20131229"Very credible human rights organization" I can counter this statement by the UN Commission of Inquiry.. These human rights organizations are totally wrong, they are biased, thus, the independent report is what the UN and State Department, and all foreign ministries in Europe have accepted. So you should as well.
"He Himself was torturing" This is a blunt statement from you. You need to listen to how you said it without stating "allegedly". Not sure why you're doing this, but it is not an ethical thing to do.. By the way, the guy who filed the case in UK on him, is in prison right now for funding terrorist organizations.. how about that huh?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3364306/Pictured-pistol-convicted-terrorist-facing-jail-regularly-visited-Jeremy-Corbyn-Parliament.html That's your allegedly right there...
So, let's talk about it why don't we.. Happy to come to your show anytime..
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http://www.governmentvs.com/en/constitutional-monarchy-vs-monarchy/comparison-42-14-0
What's your take on Qatar? I'm not interested in any PC. Thanks.
Also FYI re: BICI report see line 1 beginning "Commissioned by..." not sure that a report commissioned by the guy its reporting on really counts as "independent" to most of us. Also - and I really can't stress this enough ITS NOT A UN REPORT!!!!! Zainab al-Khawaja By this and your reference above conclude you mean the Bahrain Commission of Inquiry established by the Royal Family? This consulted the UN... it wasn't independently commissioned by the UN. You attempt to present this as equivalent to the UN Commission of Inquiry on Syria or Eritrea... it isn't hence it isn't on the OHCHR (see left links to Current and Past COIs and FFMs http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/HRCIndex.aspx ) Fair enough, I agree that I don't believe there is enough out there on those specifics to make that statement and it should have allegedly on it.
For what its worth I actually thought Ben's intro this week was generally very good. I think it made an effort to try and portray what has and continues to be a major talking point in our sport and also reflects Ben's sadness that this continues to be a negative issue affecting our sport.
Now I really hope all my formatting of the quotes worked properly otherwise this is going to look very odd.
Choose life… But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin’ else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you’ve got triathlon?
I will be happy to retract my 90% figure. Upon review, it's probably more like 70%. Not sure why 90% stuck in my head, and I will be happy to make a correction, not that it's material to the points I was making.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia–Sunni_relations
I had read this Wikipedia entry once upon a time, trying to learn more about the issue. It might all be bullshit though, written by Iranians.
I would have to re-listen to myself to prove it, but my comments around Prince Nassar most certainly stopped short of "he's guilty." In summary, I said credible 3rd party HR organizations have presented convincing evidence.
Allegedly.
As for an appearance on the podcast, I'm happy to do that sometime. You'd have to promise not to be loading your bike in your car while we're recording. My audience would be too distracted.
Perhaps you'd appear with a member or Human Rights Watch or another non-Iranian HR organization so that we can get 2 sides to the story.
I promise I won't be loading my bike, @ZenTriathlon didn't tell me that he started recording already!
I can choose to reply to the other guy who went a bit deep on my comments, but I'd rather leave it for the show..
Let me know..
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@Craig_Parsons Well, there are quite a few logical fallacies in that post, but I thank you for your opinion.
I'm sure there are logical fallacies on both sides of the issue.
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Do you even know what a logical fallacy is? I'm going to guess: no.
I'm guessing your rhetoric is because you can't answer the question. #putUpOrShutUp
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You're cracking me up. Do go on. #hashtag
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Honestly, you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.
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1. information can be spun any way.
2. Why is Bahrain worse than almost anywhere else. Even if the alleged allegations are true.
3. I'm not condoning any human rights violations. I just think that they are everywhere.
This kind seems like doping in cycling . Cycling gets hammered because they try to clean it up, while the nfl takes no grief at all and they dontcrealky even try to clean it up. Again this is a loose analgy.
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