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New to Gravel...

Brew_TriBrew_Tri Member, Rooster Endurance Member
Alright, I'm signed up for the belgian waffle(wafer) ride here in San Diego(Whales vagina). I am enacting N+1 to get some new wheels. What do I need to know before buying a gravel bike? Can I wear road shoes? I was going to go with 2x11? Disc brakes? What kind of tires do I ride? Am I overthinking this?

This bike will probably come with me to michigan in June, so @Tad_M better have some insight!
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    edited January 14
    Carbon Sprecialized Diverge (has the future shock which obliterates all other bike features for gravel).
    There is zero debate if you ride any moderately rough gravel more than 1 hour.

    It has discs, so you get the right stuff. 2x11 or 1x is a toss up, both have pluses/minuses. Dont worry about tires, the stock will be fine, and you will find so many compelling, equally good options for different surfaces later that you will loose your job obsessing over minutiae.
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    Also, I used road shoes for 10buears on gravel, and the first MI coast to coast race. Switched to a MTB shoe last year. I think I'm going back to road. I have had one occaision where mud is a problem on the roadie stuff, so if it will be a muddy day, I'll say MTB setup for sure. Otherwise, I like the long duration benefits of the roadie shoes and cleats.
    Thia is probably gravel heresy, but I was riding gravel for 10 years before it got a name, so they can stuff it. I also rode my Sears 10 speed on dirt trails in grade school...
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    RashRash Member
    on the road shoes v mtn bike shoes - mud is something to consider, but for me it comes down to how much potential is there for having to hike a bike. some races like to include sections that are unrideable or the conditions on the day won't allow for it. I hate walking in road shoes - hate it even more when it's off road/off camber conditions.

    The other consideration is technical terrain. if you think you might be pulling your foot a lot due to sketchy sections or tight, crowded turns, that is usually easier in mtn bike shoes - not to mention they provide better traction when you actually touch down. Most gravel rides won't really present these conditions, but something to consider.
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    Best consideration of all @Rash!

    I never have to cyclocross it, so that hadn't even registered.
    This is why the Roost is great. Other places, I would have been forced to change my forum name.
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter
    If interested in gravel videos, check out Ansel Dickey’s company. They do good work. https://www.vermontsocial.media/content
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    Brew_TriBrew_Tri Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    I've ridden a couple of times now and I see why this is so fun. Thanks for the help so far. Got a few more questions!


    Any recommendations on gloves? I tend to shy away from full finger because I have long fingers...like alien long.


    Also tires? I'll be riding some pretty rocky stuff. 40mm were recommended by others. I had some instability but I think my 38s are just too hard.
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    Are you running your 38s tubeless? You will fell negligible difference from 38 to 40, all else equal, so you may wish to try a softer casing. Probably you can run down near 35 psi in the 38s tubeless, but you have to experiment up and down and see what that tire likes . Largest benefit comes from ditching tubes and running a properly low pressure. Smaller gains with tire switches after that IMHO.
    I'll bet @gregk can add lots here.
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    Brew_Tri said:

    Alright, I'm signed up for the belgian waffle(wafer) ride here in San Diego(Whales vagina). I am enacting N+1 to get some new wheels. What do I need to know before buying a gravel bike? Can I wear road shoes? I was going to go with 2x11? Disc brakes? What kind of tires do I ride? Am I overthinking this?

    This bike will probably come with me to michigan in June, so @Tad_M better have some insight!

    Thanks for the nudge, @Tad_M .

    Lots to unpack, and these are some broad questions. In reality, there really shouldn't be so much paralysis by analysis here, but alas the bike industry has created SO many options that it's very easy to get overwhelmed. I like to rant about that.

    Anyway... I haven't ridden that course, but have heard that it can be done on anything from a road bike to a mountain bike. Most seem to pick something in the "All Road" or "gravel" realm, which are basically what we used to call cyclocross bikes (i.e. road bikes with fatter tires). Sometimes these bikes are also called Road Plus, when used with 650b wheels. If you want my very honest opinion about 650b, that's here.

    To address your specifics:

    What do I need to know before buying a gravel bike?
    -It's just a road bike with fat tires. These days it also includes disc brakes (but so do many road bikes). Suspension is optional, but can be great. If your bike doesn't come with suspension, the Redshift stem is a great option to take the edge off impacts.
    -For brakes, if you're going hydraulic disc, I think Shimano is 100% the way to go, due to their historic delivery of great reliability, and the fact that mineral oil is a lot easier to live with than DOT fluid.

    Can I wear road shoes?
    -Yes. I prefer MTB shoes/pedals due to their performance in bad conditions.

    I was going to go with 2x11? Disc brakes?
    -Discs are pretty much your only choice these days. I really like the ease and performance of V rim brakes, but they're antiques now.
    -2x11 - sure. Here are my thoughts on 1x vs 2x (I'm sure I've written about it many times elsewhere, too).

    What kind of tires do I ride?
    -Depends on the course. Others who have ridden BWR will be a better resource than me. Low pressure is your friend, within reason (i.e. you don't want to bottom out on your rims constantly and damage them).

    Am I overthinking this?
    -Yes.
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    mbrekk44mbrekk44 Member, POTM
    edited February 15
    The specialized pathfinder tires in a 38 are pretty bombproof and roll quick, slick in the middle with some grip on the edges. I ride a diverge. I like it, but I’ve had it two years and had I’m on my 3rd future shock. Luckily my shop is great and they warranty it. There are cool new bikes and gear coming out all the time, like every day. I wear MTB shoes, way better for hanging out in bars when you get off your bike, and much better for hike-a-bike, which happens quite a bit in gravel races. I would also get a salsa warbird or lauf true grit without any hesitation.
    M_WareTad_MBrew_Tri
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    ItsShugItsShug Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member, POTM
    I'm a huge fan of the maxxis ramblers 38's. Would rather run 40's but my frame won't allow. But we have some sharper lime stone base gravel here
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    DallasDallas Member
    edited February 19
    Salsa 2016 Warbird here. No major maintenance issues to this point. Run 38's for tires, tubeless. I'm only about 145 pounds so i don't run into the issues Shug does with the flint/limestone here in Kansas. Disc breaks. 2x11. I prefer my feet to be locked into my pedals so i won't ever go without.
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    M_WareM_Ware Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter
    Hey @Dallas, welcome to club crazy!
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    MartinMartin Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    Is this gravel trend still a thing?
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    @Dallas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Martin said:

    Is this gravel trend still a thing?

    I hope not. I liked it the way it was.
    But yes.
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    Brew_Tri said:

    I've ridden a couple of times now and I see why this is so fun. Thanks for the help so far. Got a few more questions!


    Any recommendations on gloves? I tend to shy away from full finger because I have long fingers...like alien long.


    Also tires? I'll be riding some pretty rocky stuff. 40mm were recommended by others. I had some instability but I think my 38s are just too hard.

    Gloves - I only wear Handup now. They're full finger though. The Boy has cut the fingers on one of his pairs for summer with no detrimental effects. Believe they have a ton of sizes, may accomodate alien fingers.

    Tires - on more gnarly stuff, Vittoria Terreno is bomb-proof, still pretty light and rolls well. I like the Ramblers too, but slightly less bomb-proof. Gravel Kings can burn in hell IMHO. Have also run Michelin Powers and Challenge Gravel Grinders. Mezcals on bikes with the clearance for 2.1".
    Brew_TriAaronWebstey
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    Brew_TriBrew_Tri Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    Martin said:

    Is this gravel trend still a thing?

    I think if I consider myself a triathlete, nothing I do is trendy.
    MartinStruangAaronWebstey
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    I'm doing wafer as well... Right now I'm going to use WTB Cross Boss which are 700x35. If for sure the weather is nice and the course dry.. then I might switch to Rene Herse Bon Jon which are also 700x35.

    Gloves - HandUp
    M_WareAaronWebsteyBrew_Tri
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    Tad_MTad_M Member, Rooster Endurance Member, Level 2 Supporter, POTM
    @gregk , thanks for the push to the redshift stem. First ride today. Really slick. I'll be going down one step in the elastomers for my next ride, but its already great!
    gregkM_Ware
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