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Will Froome use the Salt Tab Defense?

RashRash Member
Should be interesting to see what happens based on who he is and the drug involved. At least they aren't denying knowledge of use this time. Salt tab defense is unlikely.

Chris Froome Returns Adverse Finding
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator
    Alessandro Petacchi : 1360ng/ml banned 1 year
    Diego Ulissi : 1900ng/ml banned 9 months

    Froome : 2000ng
    RashAaronWebsteyGasBombMamaCheetah
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    I bet he gets off with a warning.
    RashAaronWebstey
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    I don't have a dog in the fight or a full understanding of all the sciency stuff (considering all information is not public I question anyone who claims to), but the thing I don't get, assuming I am understanding what is in fact out there, is why that one day? He is taking a medication that is permitted without a TUE. He discloses he is taking it and even that he is upping his dosage. He is tested likely every day of the Vuelta (at least every day he is leading) and he is popped on only one day as being out of the limits. Seems to indicate a mistake in my mind more so than a deliberate attempt to illegally improve performance.

    I am of course accepting the fact the drug is allowed up to a certain level and avoiding the discussion as to whether or not it should be which seems to derail most of these discussions. It's allowed and essentially available to all riders to use.
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    Mistake likely, perhaps based on him being slightly dehydrated (though I bet they keep him well hydrated) or something similar (low body fat?). But the bigger concern is why so much asthma for elite athletes. Do Sky and Nike share a doctor?
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    M_WareM_Ware Member, Level 2 Supporter
    Paging @Adrienne. Is asthma more prevalent in ectomorphs than endomorphs and mesomorphs? Or is it evenly distributed across all body types?
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    RashRash Member
    edited December 2017
    @IanL I was avoiding that larger conversation deliberately here, however I have to say it makes me very excited for "Tour de Pharmacy II: When Asthma ATTACKS!"

    "Asthma" could also be a great character for a future @TheSufferfest workout. "Better catch Billboard. And don't let Asthma take your breath away on this next climb!"
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    Robert RankinRobert Rankin Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    Never saw this coming. Clearly thought he doped in someway, like I do 90% of the other riders, but surprised they outed the golden child. Thought for sure they’d bury his positive.

    I like how Nibali came out and said he also has asthma (like every other cyclist somehow) but didn’t need an inhaler because of the rain in the final stages.

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    Never saw this coming. Clearly thought he doped in someway, like I do 90% of the other riders, but surprised they outed the golden child. Thought for sure they’d bury his positive.

    I like how Nibali came out and said he also has asthma (like every other cyclist somehow) but didn’t need an inhaler because of the rain in the final stages.

    I didn't understand Nibali's justification for not needing an inhaler during the rainy day. Sure, pollen and allergens can effect asthma symptoms but they two don't correlate perfectly.

    I expect the next press release to be, "Froome cooperated with WADA and has since reproduced the findings from his positive test after stage 18 of la vuelta. As such WADA declares this as acceptable evidence to not proceed with any further sanctions against Chris Froome."

    Team Sky: Publically fires doctor
    Chris Froome: "It's no secret that I have asthma and I will be more diligent in the future regarding my own personal health and dosages of any medications I am taking"

    Rashsimonsen77idking90
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    That statement by Nibali was actually retracted from the original story - not sure if it was just him thinking out loud or him not wanting to get tangled in the finger pointing, but it must have been off the record. (also recalled he used to ride for Astana - glass houses and all).
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    @doyoueventribro I think you may be right on the outcome though. Froome must be somewhat confident in his chances with all the hoopla surrounding his Giro attempt - all of that coming long after he and the team were notified of the adverse result.
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    Robert RankinRobert Rankin Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    The Nibali comment is still here. I don't get the correlation either, I'd assume rain would make it worse. Although I seriously doubt their "asthma" as well. Would a couple puffs of an inhaler before a race help for say 3 hours? Asking for a friend
    Rash

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    @Robert Rankin That is very odd. When I read it this morning (same source) there was a footnote indicating those statements had been retracted. The footnote is gone, however now there is an article on Velonews advising of Nibali's post stating the report of what he said was inaccurate and including his version of his statements.

    If only the reporting in the cycling world was as top notch as that in triathlon!
    Robert RankinAaronWebsteyMamaCheetah
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    GasBombGasBomb Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member, Level 2 Supporter
    M_Ware said:

    Paging @Adrienne. Is asthma more prevalent in ectomorphs than endomorphs and mesomorphs? Or is it evenly distributed across all body types?

    Asthma is apparently more prevalent in drug cheats at elite levels of endurance sport. ;)
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    Robert RankinRobert Rankin Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    GasBomb said:

    M_Ware said:

    Paging @Adrienne. Is asthma more prevalent in ectomorphs than endomorphs and mesomorphs? Or is it evenly distributed across all body types?

    Asthma is apparently more prevalent in drug cheats at elite levels of endurance sport. ;)
    May have something to do with the medication raising their VO2max, or so I’m told. I feel like I may be asthmatic
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    I'm just gonna leave this here, because it's perfectly normal for a guy to close this kind of gap on a charging peloton...
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Level 2 Supporter
    I fixed it for you. @Martin

    It's normal for a guy to close this kind of gap on a charging peloton...with a motor.
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    Robert RankinRobert Rankin Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member


    Convenient timing on needing the inhaler. Out of curiosity does anyone know what 1000 ng is exactly? How many times would one have to hit the inhaler to go over?
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    The Secret Pro's take on it.
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    M_WareM_Ware Member, Level 2 Supporter
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator
    edited December 2017
    NY Times: "Chris Froome Tests Positive, and Cycling History Repeats Itself"

    also

    THREAD
    Yesterday morning, news broke that Chris Froome had returned an Adverse Analytical Finding of Salbutamol in a sample taken during the Vuelta on 7 September. Many have commented on this, and often facts have been misstated or misinterpreted. I shall try to correct those. 1/

    — Lukas Knöfler (@lukascph) December 14, 2017
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    Two scenarios I hope play out just to watch everyone's head and keyboards explode:

    1) The hearing is held immediately after the Giro. He is given an immediate suspension that ends the week prior the Tour that has no retroactive effects (he holds on to the Vuelta win); or
    2) Froome's lawyers successfully delay the hearing until after the Tour where he is suspended for the off season with no retroactive effect (he keeps the Vuelta and potentially the Giro and Tour).

    I am going to start making popcorn now to make sure I have enough ready if either happens!
    KenElPescadoPelado
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    Craig DCraig D Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    edited December 2017
    I think you're gonna need the extra large bag

    https://goo.gl/images/GO6K2B
    M_WareKenElPescadoPelado
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    M_WareM_Ware Member, Level 2 Supporter
    And here is what Oliver Holt of the Daily News has to say:
    "Hopefully Froome isn't as stupid and cynical as he sounds" http://dailym.ai/2AGwd6u

    And William Fotheringham over at The Guardian: "Chris Froome buried under Team Sky’s cumulative baggage of allegations" https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/dec/16/chris-froome-buried--under-team-sky-baggage-credicility-cycling?CMP=share_btn_tw
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    ItsShugItsShug Member, Administrator, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    Jesus Christ why are any of you surprised by this? It's cycling. The dirtiest sport on the planet, next to crossfit douchebags.

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    ccochraneccochrane Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    Icarus. Netflix. A how to guide on cheating WADA
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    Robert RankinRobert Rankin Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    New reports Justin Gatlin also blaming salt. Swears agent and coach were confused and meant to say sodium and not HGH/testosterone
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    Tad_MachrowiczTad_Machrowicz Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member, Level 2 Supporter

    Months and months of heavy dosing and I'm seeing no great benefit.
    I feel like I'm doing something wrong......
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator
    Gotta use the Pink Himalayan...
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    M_WareM_Ware Member, Level 2 Supporter
    edited December 2017
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