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Andrew Talansky to Triathlon

RashRash Member
edited October 5 in Main
http://www.velonews.com/2017/10/news/andrew-talansky-switches-triathlon_449749

It's been talked about elsewhere, but I find it very intriguing. This is a guy in his prime (maybe yet to reach his prime - 28) from professional bike racing coming to triathlon. I know he swam/ran as a youth before moving to bikes full time around college, but if he is ok in the water he will at the very least be a great candidate to animate some races. Unlike Wurf (his Cannondale teammate who lives in both cycling/triathlon world), Talansky is a world class time trialist in a runner's body. Should be fun to watch develop.
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    EmilyCocksEmilyCocks Member, Pro Triathlete
    Since he lives in Napa one might think he was inspired when he saw me training swim/bike/run.
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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, TRS/Baucco Team Member

    Since he lives in Napa one might think he was inspired when he saw me training swim/bike/run.

    That would inspire anybody!!

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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    Wait do I have to pander to my advertisees or my advertisers?
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    MartinMartin Member
    Talansky took a lot of crap from cycling fans during his career because he was a bit inconsistent (read: human), and took a lot of crap from people who don't know a lot about cycling because he was a top American but didn't win the tour. He had some great results, like winning the Criterium Dauphiné, podium at Paris-Nice, top 10 at the Tour and Vuelta, and consistently solid results in spring stage races.

    One interesting thing about his results is that he's done well in early and late-season races. He typically does better in the spring, but he has combined a strong early campaign with Vuelta success. If he can manage his training load for triathlon to mimic this pattern, he's not a terrible fit for IM racing.

    Hmmm. His statement does not indicate if he is going pro or racing AG.
    MattAaronWebstey
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    Zach MillerZach Miller Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    I find this interesting just for the simple fact of triathlon is no longer a sport where slow people do or lets say people that are just okay at 3 sports. you are getting ex swimmers, ex cyclists, ex runners into the sport, proven endurance athletes are coming to triathlon and making more competition. yes he might not be winning kona but cam wurf is better then 98% of all professionals that didn't get to kona so people like cam and andrew are making the sport more competitive.

    I see no reason he would want to race AG, some more dangerous for him, USAT will give him a special consideration spot and hand over his pro card. Not sure how long he had been planning this but he could jump into a late 2017 IM and see what happens. depending where is swim or run is he could select a course like cozumel which has a very easy swim, or a couple of the 70.3 champ races later this year and get a lot of points.

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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, TRS/Baucco Team Member

    I find this interesting just for the simple fact of triathlon is no longer a sport where slow people do or lets say people that are just okay at 3 sports. you are getting ex swimmers, ex cyclists, ex runners into the sport, proven endurance athletes are coming to triathlon and making more competition. yes he might not be winning kona but cam wurf is better then 98% of all professionals that didn't get to kona so people like cam and andrew are making the sport more competitive.

    I see no reason he would want to race AG, some more dangerous for him, USAT will give him a special consideration spot and hand over his pro card. Not sure how long he had been planning this but he could jump into a late 2017 IM and see what happens. depending where is swim or run is he could select a course like cozumel which has a very easy swim, or a couple of the 70.3 champ races later this year and get a lot of points.

    This written section of the Triathlon Preview Show was brought to you by TriRoost.com. TriRoost.com: "Dinner at Slowtwitch; drink at The Roost."

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    EmilyCocksEmilyCocks Member, Pro Triathlete
    If you are a national team member in another sport you can get a pro card in triathlon. He is NOT racing AG.

    From USAT (under special consideration):
    "Applying athlete has been on a USA Swimming, USA Cycling, or USA Track and Field
    Olympic or Pan American Games Team or National Elite Team (recognized by that NGB).
    The athlete must have finished in the top ten overall and within 10% of the overall
    winner’s time in at least one (1) USAT sanctioned event having at least 200 participants
    that occurred within the past 12 months."
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    RashRash Member
    This is his new career (for now) - he is not racing AG.

    The interesting thing about Talansky is that most of the pro's we see coming over to Tri have done it out of necessity following the completion of their careers in their single sport. Either they were too old (Lance) or they just didn't quite make it to the upper echelons of their sport. Talansky is 28 years old and took a World Tour stage win just this year. He was not the best, but a solid top 10 contender for most stage races he was competing in as the team leader - as @Martin said, he is a very accomplished cyclist. He could have continued riding the World Tour, however he chose to come to triathlon. I am sure we will see further big name cyclists (i.ej. Porte, Froome (according to Wurf), etc.) dabbling in triathlon, however it will be after their prime in cycling is done like "Motor Man" Cancellara. And while Wurf is a World Tour rider, he plays a supporting role for guys like Talansky - AT is another level.

    Looking forward to seeing how he attacks this. He specifically references IM racing, however I don't know if that means 70.3 or 140.6. Hell, he could be like every other non-triathlete and just think IM = triathlon. I hope he has a good coach* and smart plan for slowly working his way into triathlon as he is still relatively young - no need to destroy his legs immediately by running marathons.

    * @EmilyCocks Perhaps drop a "Welcome to Triathlon" basket at his house. Could be very lucrative if it turns out he can swim/run.
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Level 2 Supporter
    I am kind of meh about the whole thing. I see Pro long course as a senior tour of sorts where athletes go when they are no longer fast enough for ITU short course. Having Pros from other sports start LC triathlon after retiring from another sport just plays into that view.
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    RashRash Member
    edited October 6
    @Jennifer Post It would be cool if he jumped into ITU, but the barrier to entry there is the swim which I can't imagine he has (not to mention the pure run speed). Additionally, how could he ever manage to ride in a pack like that with all those corners and accelerations - he would need to work on his bike handling skills!

    ETA - I also think that your view of long course is essentially the inverse of what many people think - that short course is only for people "working up" to long course. I think both are flawed. They are entirely separate sports in my mind. Some people have been able to have success at both short and long course, but in large part there are specialists at each distance. Usain Bolt was not running 100M working his way up to the marathon. Kipchoge is not doing marathons because he is too old or slow for 100M. They are different races that require different skills/athletic abilities to be the best. Also, the fact short course athletes have found success at LC later in life actually makes sense since LC takes a huge base of fitness to be successful - seems like a somewhat natural progression. Built speed for years while establishing a base then begin to see how far you can stretch that speed you have developed for years.
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Level 2 Supporter
    It would be fun to see Talansky come out of the swim with Murray and Mola and work with them to bridge up to front pack. I am sure they'd make it in record time. But, yeah, poor guy needs to work on his bike handling skills. heh

    I agree that most people see long course as a step up although there are many of us that see it as a step down. I think a lot of that belief is because lots of AGers can knock out an Oly with little training but have to train for LC so for them personally it's harder. But they aren't racing at the elite level so the comparison doesn't work. I get that it takes time to develop a base but I say any of the top ITU athletes could be competitive at LC far sooner than an LC athlete trying to go SC.

    Whether right or wrong, I can't help but see Ryf and think, "oh, yeah, top female LC athlete and wasn't even her country's top SC athlete." Or Tim Don who I first started to follow more closely after seeing the sad picture of him sitting on the roadside after DNFing and failing to make the British 2012 Olympic team. Or even Jan Frodeno who I saw live in Budapest in like 2010. Granted, it was a bad race for him but he was left in the dust by Gomez and J.Brownlee.

    Obviously my view of LC vs. SC is very clouded by my preference for SC. It just seems like a more legit pro sport to me. With the tiering of races from Conti Cups, to World Cups, to WTS, it's a way to make sure the top athletes are racing against each other. Sure, you sometimes get local country athletes on the start lines of WTS but it's not like LC where you have people racing Pro that can't even win their age group and aren't finishing anywhere close within 8%. (With Kona and KPR ranking the exception.) Then, on top of that, add in the piss poor coverage of LC and it looks even less pro.

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    MattMatt Member, Administrator

    I agree that most people see long course as a step up although there are many of us that see it as a step down. I think a lot of that belief is because lots of AGers can knock out an Oly with little training but have to train for LC so for them personally it's harder. But they aren't racing at the elite level so the comparison doesn't work. I get that it takes time to develop a base but I say any of the top ITU athletes could be competitive at LC far sooner than an LC athlete trying to go SC.

    *cough* MACCA 2011-2012 *cough*

    Look at the 2009 Hy-Vee (who rides with stubbies anymore?!) and you'll see many who decided to go LC because they knew London would be impossible.

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    RashRash Member
    @Jennifer Post - I prefer pro/elite SC as well. Of course, in part due to some of the of the folks from SC, 70.3 is starting to race a bit more like short course even if it still takes twice as long.
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    Well, Emma Pooley made the jump in the last couple of years and she hasn't really made much of an impact. And listening to the Ryan Hall TRS interview he spoke about how single sport athletes really can't just jump in and knock it out. I wouldn't expect to see anything from Talansky for a couple of years.
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator
    edited October 6
    Pooley is a beast!

    2013 Lausanne Marathon winner (2:44:29)
    2013 1st Swissman triathlon
    2013 5th Ironman Zurich
    2014 1st Powerman Duathlon WC Zofingen (course record and 30 mins ahead of 2nd / 10k run, 150k bike, 30k run)
    2015 1st Challenge Philippines (10 mins to 2nd)
    2015 9th TM Asia-Pacific Championships Melbourne
    2015 1st LC Alpe d'Huez Triathlon
    2015 1st LC Embrunman triathlon
    2015 1st Powerman Duathlon WC Zofingen
    2016 1st Powerman Duathlon WC Asia (16 mins to 2nd)
    2016 Rio Olympics - 14th ITT, (domestique for RR)
    2016 1st Powerman Duathlon WC Zofingen
    2017 1st Powerman Duathlon WC Zofingen (4th consecutive)
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    RashRash Member
    Lance was pretty competitive somewhat quickly after coming into triathlon, however I think he took a little time to get up to speed before his first official race. Also, Lance was a legit high level triathlete mixing it up with the pro's as a teenager before going to cycling - he was a prodigy.

    *yeah, I know, drugs.
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator
    edited October 6
    He also sat in T2 to put on his socks...


    #noBTAeither
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    Hopefully Talansky doesn't have a big enough name to get the complimentary "we won't test you" clause.
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Level 2 Supporter
    @Rash I agree that 70.3 is starting to race like short course. Still too many races though where you have at best a handful of people that are competitive. I really wish WTC would tier their races so top athletes raced against each other more often and only those racing top tier could qualify for the championships. But, that said, I have to say the Tweets from 70.3 World Champs were exciting.

    As for Lance and his return to triathlon, did you ever see the emails from the son or relative of his old doping doctor that was sending Lance advice on 'seat height adjustments?' hahaha. Not sure if it was for real or not. It was something I saw posted over on Cyclingnews.com in The Clinic. The Clinic is my all-time favorite forum to lurk.
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    EmilyCocksEmilyCocks Member, Pro Triathlete
    @Jennifer Post is the clinic better than slowbitch?
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    MartinMartin Member
    edited October 7

    @Jennifer Post is the clinic better than slowbitch?

    It's hella more entertaining. But so is mowing my lawn.
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Level 2 Supporter
    @EmilyCocks I like the road racing forum too but The Clinic is all about doping and I find it fascinating. Obviously focus is on cycling but other sports are discussed too.
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    simonsen77simonsen77 Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    The Trainer Road podcast has a new episode with an interview with Talansky. I’ll bet the guy podiums in 2018.
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    EmilyCocksEmilyCocks Member, Pro Triathlete
    he won't podium in 2018.
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    RashRash Member
    careful there @emilycocks, there has to be a local sprint somewhere in the neighborhood where he has a chance!
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    he won't podium in 2018.

    Based on how many 70.3s get turned into duathlons these days, I bet he will.
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    Jennifer PostJennifer Post Member, Level 2 Supporter
    Martin said:

    he won't podium in 2018.

    Based on how many 70.3s get turned into duathlons these days, I bet he will.
    I think TriRoost needs to sponsor a head-to-head duathlon featuring Alan Webb vs. Andrew Talansky. May the best runner or cyclist win.
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    Martin said:

    he won't podium in 2018.

    Based on how many 70.3s get turned into duathlons these days, I bet he will.
    I think TriRoost needs to sponsor a head-to-head duathlon featuring Alan Webb vs. Andrew Talansky. May the best runner or cyclist win.
    I think it would be funny if Talansky showed up at a race with Gatorskins, a crap position, and a filthy drivetrain, just to troll all of the tri nerds.
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    RashRash Member
    edited October 30
    AT's first race is in the books. Marin County Triathlon - Oly win at 2:00:14.

    Results

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