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Ownway Apparel Chris "Big Sexy" McDonald allegedly stealing from small bike shop

edited September 21 in Main
Please see my post on slowtwitch regarding Chris "Big Sexy" McDonald and his company Ownway Apparel. He has blatantly stolen designs from my friend's bike shop and is re selling them as his own.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Ownway_Apparel_and_Chris_McDonald._Stealing_from_small_bike_shop._P6428418/?page=unread#unread

*edit: added 'allegedly' -W

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    Big surprise. Over there, you're the asshole.
    AaronWebstey
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    Interesting. Any of our lawyers here able to confirm the 'internet lawyer' consensus on ST that this is not illegal behaviour?

    As to whether or not it's a "dick move", which is obviously subjective, I think the first question would be: @fitzkickjr , do you truly think that anybody will enter your friend's shop, see that jersey, and think "oh I'm not buying that, it looks like like the BSR jersey I own/saw/heard about"?

    Interested to hear what people think. Definitely not black and white in my books (pun definitely intended).
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    I just hope red shorts ENHANCE my performance......
    My apparel thoughts are very pointed.
    AaronWebsteyMamaCheetahkjrunnin

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    Also wondering about @ThomasGerlachProTri 's suggestion re: libel. @Evan ? Anyone?
    fitzkickjrItsShug
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    Sounds like Big Sexy may be a graduate of the Jordan Rapp School Of Business.
    wchevronPevashishDaul
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    Libel is only an issue of the claims aren't true (obviously). If they have a chronology of when they submitted the design work to Big Sexy and when the Ownway design was released, they'll be fine. May not be able to collect on a design infringement, but a public shaming won't get them into trouble either.
    AaronWebstey
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    Slowtwich locked the thread. I'm not surprised as Rapp and Slowman are friends with Chris. It it illegal? Probably not. Is it a dick move and bad business? Yes. Furthermore, all the shop wants is an apology from Chris for ripping off his design. And this is not the only design that Chris has ripped off from them.
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    don't really understand the butt hurt. unless there is legal basis for being sad, what's the point? if i made a good design i'd be mildly flattered that the company with whom i shared those designs would be inclined to copy and sell it.
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    don't really understand the butt hurt. unless there is legal basis for being sad, what's the point? if i made a good design i'd be mildly flattered that the company with whom i shared those designs would be inclined to copy and sell it.

    Loss on revenue from a competitor selling your kit. Now, rather than a customer having to buy the kit exclusively from that bike shop, they have the choice of buying it from Ownway at, potentially a better price. That's the entire point of intellectual property. Likening it to a drug company doing all the work to research and produce a new drug, only to have a generic copy it immediately. The sunk costs of developing the product will never be recouped.

    You know... business.
    KenElPescadoPeladoyournotuniquefyrehaar
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    @KHilgendorf the kit probably isn't even aero so wtf cares.
    KenElPescadoPeladoItsShugRobert Rankin
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    edited September 20
    @dessertdude The recreational cyclists who think it looks good?

    You gotta be pretty dumb to dress like a zebra in South Texas...
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    That's a thread full of people who know next to nothing about IP laws.
    KenElPescadoPeladoM_Wareyournotuniquefyrehaar
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    dhr said:

    That's a thread full of people who know next to nothing about IP laws.

    At last, I have something in common with ST users! I wonder if I can use that to get my account reinstated
    PevashishDaul
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    I have no goat in this fight but I just came here to say that both of these websites fucking suck.

    When I go to the coffee shop place and hit "enter" it takes me to a "contact us" page which looks like a mobile site. Somehow I saw the three lines on the left hand side that apparently now means "menu" and found "shop". I clicked it and there's literally nothing.

    Then I searched for ownway appearal....what the fuck is it supposed to be? The intro page says, "go your own way" you click it and it's an "about page". I still have no idea what I'm trying to do on this website. I click left on the arrow and I get "jessica jones meyers - shop now" Is this the only kit they have? Can I not see a catalog of their kit? If you click the arrow on "about" it gives the option to view bio's of Matt Hanson and a few other athletes....but you can't buy their kit? Go your own way? More like Go to another apparel company.

    This argument is fucking useless because neither company is going to sell a stitch of clothing unless they figure out how to pay a developer for a website. Someone with a history of making good websites like @AaronWebstey .

    Or maybe I just don't know how to use the internet.
    AaronWebsteyKenElPescadoPeladoidking90kjrunninCraig Dyournotunique
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    Someone with a history of making good websites like @AaronWebstey .

    Mostly makes sense, but at least one comment makes me seriously question your taste in websites.
    maggieruPevashishDaulCraig D
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    I have no goat in this fight

    Who wins in a fight between a goat and a zebra? Taking bets...
    AlexSMamaCheetah
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    Wait a minute, people are buying that?
    And wearing it?
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    At least it's better than Cipo's outfit.


    AaronWebsteyCraig DTad_MachrowiczMartin
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    edited September 20
    I thought I misclicked and logged into Ravelry where there is continuous bitching about copyright and designs. Different but similar to this discussion.

    Looks like a wanker move, but Fibonacci stripes nor chevron patterns are original or unique ideas. Now if either one of them had taken the time to match the stripes across the torso onto the sleeve, now that would have been exceptional.

    Edited to add that I have the Jessica Jones Meyers shorts and love them.
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    Someone with a history of making good websites like @AaronWebstey .

    Mostly makes sense, but at least one comment makes me seriously question your taste in websites.
    I said someone like you, not specifically you.
    AaronWebstey
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    edited September 20
    Matt said:

    At least it's better than Cipo's outfit.

    Thought you were going to post this outfit:



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    ItsShug said:

    Wait a minute, people are buying that?
    And wearing it?

    Well, people bought & wore those TRS and Baucco kits. There's no accounting for taste!
    idking90scottyMattyournotuniquerigpig
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    please tread lightly everyone. this is not internet trial by fire here and we lost a few posters here today.

    im going to let you all get in your final shots and opine then ill be shutting this thread down.

    management
    AaronWebsteyscottyCraig DwchevronyournotuniqueMartin
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    @simonsen77 he's making the rookie mistake of riding an aero frame with a saddle.
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    Technically, neither I nor my moderators have given @PevashishDaul the required permissions to shut a thread down. However, I can only assume that you all will heed his unofficial status as our moral authority and resident veteran of the CF, thus bestowing de facto "shut this s**t down" powers upon our beloved Pev. Tread lightly indeed.
    PevashishDaul
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    In all seriousness, these allegations are potentially harmful to the BSR brand (we get literally dozens of readers every single month!). This conversation does not feel like it's helping with any kind of resolution, and in fact the most likely result is damage to both brands' public images.

    I would encourage everyone to remember that these are unproven accusations, and that we still haven't heard the other side of the story. Thread closed.
    idking90wchevronKenElPescadoPeladodhrRobert Rankin
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