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Masters swim

G Scott LayherG Scott Layher Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
This was my first night of masters swimming. I think it went ok. I was crazy nervous but didn't drown or mess anyone else up too bad. Please give me hints to make it easier to learn the jargon.
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    idking90idking90 Member, Pro Triathlete
    Need examples, but basics that I'm thinking you may not know:
    "On the X" means you're swimming and leaving on the next time the clock hits that interval. "On 1:20" would mean you'd start interval 2 at 1:20 after you started, 3 at 2:40, 4th interval at 4:00 etc etc. So if you swim a second faster, you get an extra second of rest. Swimming tends to operate more this way than a fixed rest because that would be madness with 8 kids in a lane each taking :10 themselves. Plus they'd definitely lie
    Top-when the pace clock comes back to 00, even if it's digital
    Bottom-:30, same idea
    Stroke and/or choice-not freestyle. Tell them you're doing "alternating single arm butterfly with a flutter kick drill" instead
    Flutter kick: normal freestyle kick
    Dolphin kick: butterfly kick
    Otherwise....certain drills may have more colloquial names. If the coach writes a drill set and you have no clue what the drill is, just ask. I still do.
    simonsen77KenElPescadoPeladoAaronWebsteyCraig DMamaCheetahG Scott LayherTad_MachrowiczfyrehaarBrent_RKelly O'Marahaywarmi
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    G Scott LayherG Scott Layher Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    Thanks for explaining the clock. I sort of understood it yesterday. I am sure it will be easier.
    How do you know when to use pull bouy. I grabbed one but didn't use it. I saw some people did and some did not.
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    idking90idking90 Member, Pro Triathlete
    The clock reading gets easier with time. The main thing is you don't need to actually pay attention to the minutes, just the seconds. For the example of leaving on 1:20, all that matters is that you leave when it hits 20, then 40, then the top, then 20.....or if it's say, 55, you're just losing 5 sec each sendoff, etc.
    As for pull buoy, I'm assuming there's a coach on deck going through the workout? Or at least somebody writing the workout in advance? Normally it would say "pull" on the paper/board if you're absolutely supposed to pull, in which case use the buoy. A thing I've heard of but never directly observed is people grabbing a buoy to survive a set or make it easier. Don't do this. It not only reinforces bad habits, it's just....don't. More importantly, though, is not being the guy who uses fins unless everybody else is using them. That just messes the whole thing up.
    The big thing is: obey the set, within reason. On stroke sets, kicks, etc...you might need to occasionally skip a 50 or so to keep from royally screwing up the lane. You'll live. Masters swimming doesn't quite have the discipline that age group swimming does, because you're all adults and can exercise critical thinking to modify workouts as needed/practicable. But do it as little as possible.
    G Scott LayherTad_MachrowiczAaronWebsteyfyrehaar
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    Tad_MachrowiczTad_Machrowicz Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member, Level 2 Supporter
    idking90 said:

    Tell them you're doing "alternating single arm butterfly with a flutter kick drill" instead

    @idking90 , you deserve an extra DM for this. I didn't want to DM such a nice and serious note.
    AaronWebsteyfyrehaaridking90KenElPescadoPelado

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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    I never got the 'pull to survive a set' thing (although I too have seen it many times). I'm so much slower with a pull buoy.

    And this is probably obvious, but if you're catching the person in front of you, once you've touched their feet once you hang back and wait till the end of the current interval without touching em again. They *should* then ask if you want to go ahead on the next interval.
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    Swimming for triathlon training? What the fuck is this?
    AaronWebsteysimonsen77balsdorfKenElPescadoPeladohaywarmiscottyDawnC
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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, TRS/Baucco Team Member

    Swimming for triathlon training? What the fuck is this?

    I bet this guy paces the bike so he won't blow up on the run, too
    StruangTad_Machrowiczidking90Granpa Chookscotty
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    idking90idking90 Member, Pro Triathlete
    @Tad_Machrowicz glad you caught that. I use that one with my masters coach all the time. That or "lane-pull backstroke"
    I hate other strokes. I only started swimming as a junior in high school, so I just took my cross country fitness and swam the 500...so I never got very good at the other strokes. When I shifted to triathlon, I eschewed them entirely and can't swim more than a 25 of any of them "fast." So that 400 IM I signed up for in a masters meet next weekend will be a blast
    AaronWebsteyTad_MachrowiczCraig Dhaywarmi
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    MattMatt Member, Administrator
    Blast to your triceps.

    wchevronidking90KenElPescadoPeladohaywarmi
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    Brent_RBrent_R Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    I would only say that if you're in the "right" lane for all other strokes or sets but can't keep up in kick sets, it is acceptable to use fins (or as I have done, go last and fall way behind on the first half, Slip my fins on quick and try to catch up on the back half).
    KenElPescadoPeladoAaronWebstey
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    James LangeJames Lange Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    I'm considering joining a master's club next fall, but I can't flutter kick at all. Last year I was averaging 17km a week in the pool (and had my much maligned 8000m endurance swim) and even then I couldn't flutter kick 25m without stopping or doing breast stroke kicks. I have very stiff ankles, small feet, and no aptitude for kicking. It'll be fins or no kick drills for me.
    AaronWebstey


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    G Scott LayherG Scott Layher Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    I just wanted to give a brief update on my masters swimming.
    I am still nervous that I will mess up everyone in my lane but have not been yelled at...yet.
    I really enjoy it. I think that for anyone who is a good swimmer and those who are not a lot can be gained. The coach always has something that will immediately help my swim.
    I chose a lane that has at least one person slightly faster then me and have had a great workout each time.
    simonsen77KenElPescadoPeladoSeanHfyrehaarAdrienneM_WareAaronWebsteyGasBombCraig DTad_Machrowicz
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    Elaine KElaine K Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member

    I just wanted to give a brief update on my masters swimming.
    I am still nervous that I will mess up everyone in my lane but have not been yelled at...yet.
    I really enjoy it. I think that for anyone who is a good swimmer and those who are not a lot can be gained. The coach always has something that will immediately help my swim.
    I chose a lane that has at least one person slightly faster then me and have had a great workout each time.

    Nice! Keep it up!

    I chose a lane with someone faster than me so I don't have to count :)
    G Scott Layhermbrekk44AaronWebsteyGasBombCraig DTad_Machrowiczfyrehaar
    Tucson, AZ
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    G Scott LayherG Scott Layher Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    Also I need to add that when we have to do butterfly. I give the lifeguard a wave or reassurance, because I know they are watching me and trying to determine if they need to jump in or not. I hate butterfly.
    mbrekk44M_WareAaronWebsteyMattkjrunninTad_MachrowiczBrent_R
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    mbrekk44mbrekk44 Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    edited April 20
    Sounds like me, except backstroke.. I warn everyone that i will probably run into them..I should warn the people in the lane next to me as well..The 200 IM absolutely destroys me
    M_WareAaronWebsteyGasBombTad_MachrowiczG Scott Layher
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    G Scott LayherG Scott Layher Member, TRS/Baucco Team Member
    mbrekk44 said:

    Sounds like me, except backstroke.. I warn everyone that i will probably run into them..I should warn the people in the lane next to me as well..The 200 IM absolutely destroys me

    I have hit the lane line so many times in backstroke because I am so worried about blasting someone coming the other way. I wish I could say I have never made contact with people in the other lane. It has happened. My wonderfully awful flipish turns have been the cause of some of the issues. I keep practicing them
    mbrekk44M_WareAaronWebsteyTad_Machrowicz

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