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Heavy/Death/Grind/Black/Weird Metal

Serious question: what does it mean to be a "purist" when there are classifications called "straight, classic death, grind, and black", and then it "gets weird" BEYOND that? If I played a song for the 3 of you, what are the chances that all 3 would classify it in the same category? How blurry are the lines?

@dhr @Matt and I think @kevinschummer
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    edited December 2015
    Many sub-genres evolved within metal.

    Purist can typically means "Old School" like Black Sabbath, Motörhead, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, etc.

    Go watch the documentary "Metal - A Headbanger's Journey".

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    @Matt I think I have actually seen that. Forgot all about it. I may have issues of my own to work out first.
    Matt
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    What's this 'think' crap @Aaron Webstey ?

    This is my personal favorite for mapping. Beware, because if you are interested, it can be a deep dive. http://mapofmetal.com/#/home

    Also, to expand on @Matt comment about purists: they don't like fusion metal. Gotta be trash or death or black or whatever genre. So a band like Intronaut, which has clear jazz influences, would not be tolerated.
    Mattdhr
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    Is the Webstey family band going hard?
    simonsen77kevinschummerAaronWebsteyM_WareBC_IRON
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    This is helpful, @Matt. But where is Steel Panther??
    Granpa ChookMatt
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    also, to @Aaron Webstey last question, depending on the band & song, our classifications may be wildly different. Some bands easily fall into one genre. Others fall into several.

    dhr
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    edited December 2015
    * POWER METAL
    The protagonist arrives riding a white unicorn, escapes from the dragon, saves the princess and makes love to her in an enchanted forest.

    * THRASH METAL
    The protagonist arrives, fights the dragon, saves the princess and fucks her.

    * HEAVY METAL
    The protagonist arrives on a Harley, kills the dragon, drinks a few beers and fucks the princess.

    * FOLK METAL
    The protagonist arrives with some friends playing accordions, violins, flutes and many more weird instruments, the dragon falls asleep (because of all the dancing). Then all leave........ without the princess.

    * VIKING METAL
    The protagonist arrives in a ship, kills the dragon with his mighty axe, skins the dragon and eats it, rapes the princess to death, steals her belongings and burns the castle before leaving.

    * DEATH METAL
    The protagonist arrives, kills the dragon, fucks the princess and kills her, then leaves.

    * BLACK METAL
    The protagonist IS the dragon, dwells in the heart of the night with in a castle full of hellhounds and eternal flames. He kills the sassy knight, fucks the noble steed and sacrifices the princess to Satan.

    * GORE METAL
    The protagonist arrives, kills the dragon and spreads his guts in front of the castle, fucks the princess and kills her. Then he fucks the dead body again, slashes her belly and eats her guts. Then he fucks the carcass for the third time, burns the corpse and fucks it for the last time.

    * DOOM METAL
    The protagonist arrives, sees the size of the dragon and thinks he could never beat him, then he gets depressed and commits suicide. The dragon eats his body and the princess as dessert. That's the end of the sad story.

    * PROGRESSIVE METAL
    The protagonist arrives with a guitar and plays a solo of 26 minutes. The dragon kills himself out of boredom. The protagonist arrives to the princess' bedroom, plays another solo with all the techniques and tunes he learned in the last year of the conservatory. The princess escapes looking for the 'HEAVY METAL' protagonist.

    * GLAM METAL
    The protagonist arrives, the dragon laughs at the guy's appearance and lets him enter. He steals the princess' make up and tries to paint the castle in a beautiful pink colour.

    * NU METAL
    The protagonist arrives in a run down Honda Civic and attempts to fight the dragon but he burns to death when his moronic baggy clothes catch fire.

    * GRINDCORE
    The protagonist arrives, screams something completely undecipherable for about two minutes and then leaves…

    * Gothic Metal
    The princess in a velvet costume starts singing soprano. The protagonist completes the duet when he shows up, they sing while the dragon plays the flute. Suddenly the dragon swallows up the pipe and accidentally scorches the beauty and the protagonist, and then he suffocates to death. All their souls are damned in hell for eternity.

    * Industrial Metal
    The protagonist arrives wearing greasy overcoat, makes an obscene gestures towards dragon, and gets escorted out of fairy tale land by security guards.

    * Speed Metal
    Suddenly there is a short solo, the dragon is confused; someone’s screaming weird stuff; the princess realizes she’s been deflowered; the dragon and the princess are still looking for the one who caused this.

    * Christian Metal
    The protagonist rides in on his way home from Church and sings a mushy power ballad to the dragon about how much Jesus loves him and that the dragon should turn to Him. The Dragon is immediately converted, and when the princess wants to 'thank’ the protagonist he replies, “Sorry, but I don’t believe in having sex before marriage.”

    * SYMPHONIC METAL
    The protagonist enters the lair of the dragon with a full choir and orchestra, and the princess sings notes so high-pitched that she makes the dragon go deaf. The dragon tries to burn them all to death, but all of the members of the choir sing so loudly and unified, that it creates a protective bubble, which only grows in strength from the lead guitarist’s solo later in the song, and the flames bounce back and the dragon ends up killing itself while everyone escapes.
    dhrGasBombAaronWebsteyM_WarerigpigGregwarroKenElPescadoPeladoCraig DDawnCADRBillyGranpa Chookdch93CJBerg007wchevronCapenItsShugdanimal_Tyournotunique
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    There are a lot of bands that mix folk music with black or death metal, but none that mix the Webstey family with metal. I think the world needs this.
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    I'd imagine we all have different classifications.

    Here's where I was coming from with "purist":

    Death metal: Entombed, Obituary, Death, etc.

    Grind: Napalm Death, Repulsion, Terrorizer, etc.

    Black metal: Darkthrone, Mayhem, Immortal, and more and less sketchy stuff.
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    Although I do love Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, etc.

    My wife and I were introduced at our wedding while the intro to Slayer's "Raining Blood" was played. It was epic.
    MattAaronWebstey
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    +1 @dhr as soon as someone adds the word -core I will typically avoid listening to it.
    dhr
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    LMFAO @
    Matt said:

    * NU METAL
    The protagonist arrives in a run down Honda Civic and attempts to fight the dragon but he burns to death when his moronic baggy clothes catch fire.

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    sorry. can't resist.


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    @Matt Awesome references with both the flow chart and dragon scenarios! Nailed it!
    Matt


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    This has been the most educational thread since whatever @KMRyanTri started last, probably.
    KenElPescadoPelado
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    My first intro to not-Led Zeppelin was Dragonforce's "Through the Fire and Flames".

    Needless to say, those descriptions made it really easy for a layman to follow along. Thank you.


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    Matt
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    @matt - that was awesome both the chart and the descriptions! I bow to you for both
    MattM_Ware
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    Not the Dio version, but it's pretty well done.

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    I drive a run down honda civic... FML
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    @Granpa Chook 100 bucks* to anyone with mixing skills who can turn Barrett's Privateers (The Webbs' version) into a Metal track.

    *to be paid in hugs and/or HJs
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    When I think of metal purists I think of people who have a very strict definition of a genre and don't like any deviation from that. The ultimate manifestation of this, IMO, is black metal purists, who adhere strictly to the second wave style (Burzum, Darkthrone, etc.) These guys get so riled up when a band like Deafheaven gets called black metal it's hilarious. In my experience most other metalheads are pretty open minded.
    dhrGranpa ChookAaronWebsteykevinschummer
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    @Aaron Webstey this metal-version of Barrett's Privateers is intriguing, and something I could probably tackle over the holidays. Will try to collect the HJs next time I'm in NS (I have family in Rose Bay). If @Granpa Chook wants to try his hand at it too we could have an old-fashioned "Battle of the metal remixes".
    AaronWebstey
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    There are plenty of purists in all subgenres, but the black metal purists are just more amusing.

    But, I mean, if you're going to put Deafheaven and, like, WITTR up against Darkthrone and Burzum, I'm going to pick the purists' side (music only, no ideology, if it needs to be stated).
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    Yeah alot of that second wave norwegian stuff has some pretty extreme ideology behind it. For what it's worth I never really cared all that much. Transylvanian Hunger is a solid record despite the "Aryan Black Metal" quote on the back. Though to be honest I'd rather listen to Sunbather.

    I know death metal dudes who are only into old school DM, but it's not like they have anything against more modern stuff, they just aren't into it. The black metal purists think newer stuff like "Cascadian" black metal shouldn't even be allowed to exist.
    Granpa Chookdhrkevinschummer
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    5 minutes, 3 filters only, not Metal but a good distraction before I got more work done.
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    I care as far as I don't want to condone stupidity. That said, I'll listen to horribly objectionable things in the privacy of my own home. On the Darkthrone tip, my unpopular favorite is "Hate Them" oddly enough.

    I released a black metal 7" in the 00s, but it's in the 2nd wave vein.

    I'm personally more offended by later waves of grind and death than I am black...but don't even get me started on punk.
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    Pics of your corpsepainted face!
    dhr
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    I was the record label, so I was without corpsepaint.

    I definitely recorded a dark ambient demo in the vein of Amaka Hahina once, if you're looking for a deep cut!
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    edited December 2015
    @SenatorClayDavis As a Portlander, some of the Cascadian black metal is frigging awesome. Ideology and lyrical content are something I, as a metalhead, don't care about. Is it good is the extent of my analysis.

    Purists are generally super annoying. That said, I thought Sunbather sucked. As do WIITR. Bell Witch is really something though.
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    @kevinschummer I certainly wasn't dissing Cascadian black metal (I really liked Alda's Tahoma and A god or an Other's Towers of Silence), just pointing out that the trve cvlt crowd tends to hate that stuff.

    I stopped giving a shit about lyrical content long ago. When I first got into death metal and goregrind I found it a little unsettling, but got past that pretty quick (white supremacist black metal seems kind of "cute" in comparison). It's not like you can understand anything they're saying anyways.

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