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Pete Jacobs

Nice to see Pete Jacobs had a decent performance at Phillipines 70.3. Came in 7th. 12 minutes off the front but only 1.5 minutes down from Crowie and Luke McKenzie in 5 & 6. Wonder if he's been able to manage his fatigue issues.
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    I was watching his KONA win recently. He has a great season that year, and also the year before he took 2nd at KONA. Something I have wondered is... how much of his decreased performance is physical vs mental, and how much is just pain avoidance? To build yourself up to that level and perform at that level requires a lot of repeated physical discomfort. Maybe once an athlete achieves that, and WINS, it is OK to simply say "OK, I'm done now." Then maybe ride out your career another 5-8 years until you have to figure out the "next thing". I think Faris Al Sultan is trying to figure out what to do next...
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    trsradio69trsradio69 Member, Rooster Endurance Officers
    Faris retired.
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    @Scott Hacking Faris had IM wins and was top 10 at Kona for quite a few years after his win. Pete has had dismal performance after dismal performance in every event he raced since winning Kona.
    Some of it may be mental but from what he says, it's some sort of physical issue he has been battling with for a long time.
    With the lack of money in triathlon, I can't see how he could ride it out for much longer than a year. If he was putting in good performances I could see him riding it out but since Kona he looks more like a 2nd or 3rd tier pro.

    Would be interesting to get him on the podcast.
    Dr. Jocelyn Mendez
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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member, Rooster Endurance Officers
    I think we'd all love to hear Pete Jacobs on the podcast.
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    PJ has demonstrated -- and talked about at some length on his blog in the past couple years -- all the signs and symptoms of overtraining syndrome. See http://www.outsideonline.com/1986361/running-empty.

    Theo
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    How the Fuck does he caught up in this weird shit. Strangest dude ever.
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    James LangeJames Lange Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    And that's the most normal thing he does!


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    MattMatt Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    I've seen porn actresses shake less on camera
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    jrielley1406jrielley1406 Member, Pro Triathlete
    What in the hell did I just watch?! I know he endorses some out there stuff but that seems to take the cake.
    First year “pro” triathlete and first time dad! So basically freaking out on a day to day basis...
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    If it gets him over his "fatigue issues" and back in the top tier, let him shake all he wants.
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    Scott HackingScott Hacking Member
    edited August 2015
    i get fatigued too when I do an Ironman. Is that a medical condition?
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    ItsShugItsShug Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    Is that how you crossfit? Did I just watch crossfit?
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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member, Rooster Endurance Officers
    wchevron said:

    If it gets him over his "fatigue issues" and back in the top tier, let him shake all he wants.


    I couldn't find anything on google scholar about the process. So let's say it's completely, or at least mostly, unsupported by scientific research. Never underestimate the power of the placebo! And/or, it could accidentally be hitting on something that actually worked, for Pete himself, in his state at that particular time.

    At any rate, it looks like a great example of the strength of anecdotal evidence. We can only hope that nobody gets swindled out of hard-earned money because a triathlon world champion told them (and probably believed) "hey, it worked for me!".
    Theo
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    wchevron said:

    If it gets him over his "fatigue issues" and back in the top tier, let him shake all he wants.


    I couldn't find anything on google scholar about the process. So let's say it's completely, or at least mostly, unsupported by scientific research. Never underestimate the power of the placebo! And/or, it could accidentally be hitting on something that actually worked, for Pete himself, in his state at that particular time.

    At any rate, it looks like a great example of the strength of anecdotal evidence. We can only hope that nobody gets swindled out of hard-earned money because a triathlon world champion told them (and probably believed) "hey, it worked for me!".
    True, look at Mark Allen and his belief in Shamanism.
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    That makes the altitude mask seem normal...
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    yournotuniqueyournotunique Member, Rooster Endurance Member
    If this actually worked then Michael J Fox would be getting podiums left and right.
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    I'm no psychologist but I've wondered if he suffers from chronic depression (
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    ItsShugItsShug Member, Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member
    edited August 2015

    If this actually worked then Michael J Fox would be getting podiums left and right.


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    He can't even discuss it and keep a straight face!
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    I'm no psychologist but I've wondered if he suffers from chronic depression (

    I'm no scientist but he might be an alien.

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    I'm just going to lay it out there, knowing that the abuse is coming, I think PJ is a tremendous asset to the sport. He is gracious -- he spent a few moments chatting with me on the run in my first IM at Lake Placid (he was lapping me). He has famously gone his own way when it comes to training -- and for someone performing at the very pinnacle of the sport for a decade and in the top tiers for longer -- we need more people experimenting with the development of major training technique breakthroughs. He has stumbled and done so with honesty and candor -- read his blog going back to the season before he was world champion and you'll see a guy making his way in an authentic and honest way. He has shed light on important health issues like the affects of a positive attitude, anger, depression even if he has only done so with tangential remarks. He is unfailingly polite -- even when sending an open letter to Messick with whom he was clearly pissed. He has been willing to throw out huge, audacious goals and then pursue them -- anyone remember his run split prediction for Kona the last couple years. Sure, he fell short but he is pushing the boundaries.

    He is wacky. I grant you that. The tremors thing -- I don't get it but it works for him. I laugh whenever I see someone training with one of those masks, but it isn't hurting anyone else. I don't think he is any more wacky than Mark Allen communing with Madam Pele and feeling the energy of the island. In fact, I totally get it. I've often had that feeling when swimming -- there is an energy bigger than yourself and it is available if you are open to tapping into it.

    We need more characters in the sport. And if we are going to have them, best that they aren't assholes. When I look at the pros, I often ask myself if he or she is a person who I would want my children to emulate. For many, the answer is clearly yes. Others, it is a closer call. A few, I would have some reservations. For Pete Jacobs, it is easy.

    I don't expect this to be the last word on him. That is not the nature of forums. However, the guy has earned a defense especially since the original post in the thread was positive -- it is nice to see him back at the pointy end of the field.
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    AaronWebsteyAaronWebstey Administrator, Rooster Endurance Member, Rooster Endurance Officers
    @klassman I like your attitude and agree with almost everything in your post, except for the "it isn't hurting anyone else" part. Using fad items like tremors or training masks is his own business, but using his triathlon fame to promote such items and help take people's money is different. Again, I don't doubt that he believes in these things, but ignorance of the scientific method is no excuse for making general assumptions based on only your own experience.

    That being said, politeness, honesty, and candor go a long way for me, and it's also probably stupid to criticize a guy from my couch when I've never met him. Sounds like a great guy who unwittingly makes some possibly harmful decisions, perhaps due to underestimation of his own influence on people.
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    trsradio69trsradio69 Member, Rooster Endurance Officers
    I've had more than one Aussie message me privately to say that John could sort of walk all along.

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    trsradio69trsradio69 Member, Rooster Endurance Officers
    @KLassman I agree with what you wrote. We're all dicks for breaking his balls. Frankly, I'd love to have him on the podcast so I can get to the bottom of what makes him tick.
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    Say what you will but I enjoy watching pro cycling and I can't help but make a comparison between Pete and Brad Wiggins. Brad won the Tour in 2012, which by all accounts was the one thing he wanted to do as a road cyclist. After he won, instead of talking about defending his title he decided that all the shit that came along with the buildup and then the increased media and team requirements weren't worth it and turned his focus to other races. It's easy for Pete to say that he wants to win Kona again, but I do wonder if the desire is truly there. Unlike Wiggins who has a team to take care of him as far as training and such, Pete (and most triathletes) are on their own. I can imagine it would be very difficult to continue with the daily grind that it takes to be at the top level, especially when you've already won Kona.

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